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Lubrication

First off, make sure the lubricants you use say they are plastic compatible. Make sure! It is silly to try to save a few bucks and risk your equipment.

I recommend you purchase plastic compatible oils and greases that state specifically they are plastic compatible, and preferably from a known and reputable manufacturer. Of course there are always exceptions

Plastic compatible?

Unfortunately, as of December 2010, Aristo-Craft still advertises their "Electralube" CRE-29602 grease as plastic compatible. This product has been proven to cause plastic to crack, causing catastrophic failure in plastic sideframes. You can search for "catastrophic" on the Aristocraft forum, and you will see. I don't like putting stuff like this in my web site, but as long as it is advertised, and even the instruction manuals with Aristo rolling stock say you can use it, I will keep the warning up.

I received a bottle of it with no note from Aristo one day, unasked for. Maybe they were hoping that my rolling stock would be destroyed or as a joke. I left the bottle on a shelf in my garage. I finally went to throw it away (I never used it except to verify that it was indeed somewhat conductive) It  actually "digested" the container itself! I took a video of it sitting on the metal shelf, in a pool of lubricant caused by the likewise catastrophic failure of the bottle caused by the "plastic compatible" lube. This is way too  funny, but sad in a way.

If you think a lubricant is compatible but you can't be sure, then just don't use it. There are too many choices PROVEN to work. The cost of a quality lubricant is TRIVIAL compared to the cost of the car or locomotive you are using it on!

What not to use:

Don't use 3 in 1, no matter how your O scale buddy swears by it. Also, WD-40 is not a lubricant:

WD-40 is not a lubricant. It happens to be the 40th formula NASA tried for displacing water in moving parts on the space shuttle. It does just exactly that, displaces water. WD stands for water displacement and 40 for 40th formula, the fact that they promote it as a lubricant doesn't make it a good choice for lubrication. It doesn't work for much longer than a week or two, then it's gone.

Another reason not to use it is that it will form a "gum" and attract contaminants.

What works:

I like the Hob-e-lube and the Aero-car lubricants, as well as good old Labelle. There's others out there but these are high quality and proven products.

Hob-E-Lube is distributed by Woodland Scenics: http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/category/StandardHob-E-Lube

Aero-car: http://www.aerocarlubricants.com/

Labelle is distributed by Con-Cor: http://www.con-cor.com/lablubes.htm (remember them from the early days, est. 1962)

Dry vs wet lubricants:

I prefer dry lubricants for situations where there is plastic on at least one bearing surface, like most wheel journals. The dry lubricants tend not to gather grit. The dry lubricants I recommend are graphite/molybdenum mixtures. The "moly" tends to "plate" the plastic and works very well.

When it's metal to metal, then I like a lithium-based grease with moly in it. Again, the moly tends to "plate" the surfaces and make them very slippery.

Oil is usually good on the rods on a steam loco.

The smaller moving parts in valve gear will take a "light" oil.

Grease is good for sleeve type bearings where there is a higher load, and grease on the gears.

On motors, a drop of oil on the shafts, and heavier oil on really big motors.

Here's some of the recommended Aero-car lubricants and their applications:

ACT-3753-conducta - one drop per brush, or any other electrical contact point, including power pickup wipers. Don't use on sealed motors. Clean the motor with plastic-compatible motor or tuner cleaner.

On motors, use 2112-motor bearing lubricant, or act-2752 heavy duty bearing lubricant on larger motors.Use this heavier lube on bearings, side rods and valve gear.

ACT-111, NG Jel, use a little applicator to put a small amount on the gear teeth. It will spread itself. If you see excess, you used too much, wipe it off. This is really great stuff, it's a gel, and clings to gears and does not fly off, but under pressure, becomes more liquid, and coats the surfaces better. Neats stuff.

Update: Atlas sells their #190 Gear Lubricant, and it's identical in looks to the Aero lube. The container is identical, and it has the same unusual deep blue-purple color. So here's another alternative to find it.

 

Here's my favorite products, by Hob-E-lube:

Graphite with moly powder (seems to work better than graphite alone, and the moly "plates" plastic surfaces better.

Lithium grease with moly (as found in cars, the moly makes the grease slipperier)

Heavy gear oil (clings to gears better, and I have found this best on metal axles in metal journals)

Conductive lubricants?

Briefly: There ARE such things as electrically conductive lubricants, but they are very expensive and you do NOT want to use them.

Now, everyone has seen the word "conductive" on lubricants, and also, it SOUNDS like a good idea, right?

Wrong!

Really conductive?

Most "conductive" lubricants you see advertised are actually not conductive, they maintain conductivity by keeping air out, from oxidizing the conductive surfaces.

The short story is that real conductive lubricants have to be controlled so that they don't short out things and they are normally filled with silver or gold.

People who have tried conductive lubricants on their trains have often wound up with shorts, like between the axle and the insulated wheel.

Not really conductive, just keep air out, oxidation and corrosion down.

On the LGB "conductive" grease, it has small bits of graphite. Sounds conductive right? Nope, the pieces of graphite are surrounded by non-conducting grease.

A conductive paste on rail joiners might be a good thing, but way too expensive. Anywhere else, it would be an electrical nightmare.

 There are also some insanely funny stories as some companies tried an explanation of "conductivity on demand"....

Why/when to lubricate, is it enough?

To determine when something needs lubrication, lube the equipment, measure amp draw, and establish baseline measurement. When the equipment draws more current, it needs lubrication.

Aero-car / aero-locomotive recommends removing other types of lubricants before using their products, clean with isopropyl alcohol.

Here's a set of failed bearing/journals. A brand new car right out of the box. I noticed something wrong, like too much effort to pull this car after 2 laps on the layout and it also seemed that the car just didn't "sit right".

Pulling the trucks off the car:

It looked a little funny... looking from the side:

Now, there is DEFINITELY something wrong here! I took the truck apart:

Wow! how did this happen? Maybe I needed to check the fit of the wheels in the journals first!

originally posted on Aristo forum 3/26/2006

This thread topic concerns the issue of Aristo-Craft journal box cracks for both heavyweight passenger cars and 40 foot type freight cars. I have noticed that I have many that are failing, which is of much concern since my layout is under my house protected from the weather and that many of my cars are New Old Stock - having never been operated very much.


First, the 3 axle truck jounal box failures:

Below are example pictures of my new brand new Aristo-Craft ART-31610, SP Daylight RPO heavyweight car showing a developing journal box hairline crack originating from the brass axle bushing's circumference area.
(These pictures don't show the crack down the side toward the brass bushing too well, but I did not want to take the truck apart to get a better picture of that area; however, this side crack can be seen with a magnifying glass.)

A view of the same journal box area from a slightly different angle.

Below is a picture of a different journal box.


The picture below shows my SP RPO heavyweight car with one of is journal box crack progressions since the prior pictures were taken a short time ago.



Below is a close up view of that car's journal box crack progression.




I also discovered some of my Napa Valley Wine Train cars have developed journal box cracks, and these include a car's 3 axle truck center journal box, too! These cars were retrofitted from 2 axle trucks with the Aristo, P/N ART-29103, 3 axle truck kit about a year or so ago. At that time they were lubricated with Aristo's Electralube "plastic compatible" lubricant.



Below is a close up view of the example Napa Valley Wine Train car's 3 axle truck center journal box that has developed a crack.
The plastic friendly Aristo Electralube I had used to lube the axles can be seen oozing from the crack!




The 40 foot Battendorf journal box failures:

Below is an example picture of my Aristo-Craft CN reefer car with a cracked Battendorf 2 axle truck journal box.
The proper Aristo Electralube plastic friendly lube had been used.



More to follow on next post

Ted

Below is a closer view of my Aristo-Craft CN reefer car with its cracked Battendorf 2 axle truck journal box.



Below is the underside view of my CN reefer car with its cracked Battendorf 2 axle truck journal box.




Below is my CN reefer car with its Battendorf 2 axle truck side frame showing the journal box broken pieces.




When repairing my CN reefer's truck with a replacement side frame, some issues came to mind:

Below is the replacement Battendorf side frame shown with its bearing / bushing hole recess ridge that is 0.250 inch below the surface.
The total hole depth is approx. 0.350 inch. The plastic bearing should not be forced past this ridge during its installation. Going beyond this point would invide cracking the journal box.



The truck side frame replacement bearing / bushing (which is approx. 0.230 inch in outside diameter) should be installed with finger pressure only until it rests on the sideframe hole internal ridge. (Any protruding excess bearing length can be trimmed with a utility knife.) I happen to have a bag of replacement bushings I purchased from Aristo-Craft some time ago. In going through them, I had to select one that would fit into the sideframe hole with just using finger pressure. Other bushings would require being driven in with too much force which would likely stress the journal box causing it to crack or eventually crack at a later time.



Comment:
Since I used Aristo-Crafts ART 29602 Electralube plastic compatible lube EXCLUSIVELY on all my Aristo 40 foot freight cars and heavywight passenger cars, and if I assume I do not have a defective bottle of lubricant, my suspecion at this time is that use of the lubricant may be acting as a kind of liquid wedge when in the presence of a developing journal box crack will hasten the demise of the journal box to catastrophic failure. Since my experience shows that journal box bushings - whether they be brass for passenger car side frames or plastic (Delrin?) for the Battendorf 40 foot car type side frames may have an interference fit, that factory installations procedures that may not take into account this fact are inviting failures.

In my case, I spent much of this winter season on completing the retrofit of approx. 60 of my New Old Stock cars with lowered floors and metal wheels using Aristo's lube. Having only preliminarly inspected about 15 of them shows about 1 in 4 with cracking journal boxes. The heavyweight cars also have a high percentage of developing failures.

Both Aristo-Craft and Forum users are welcome to comment and offer their experiences and explainations.

Ted