LGB Modern Tank Car - Weighted, Lowered, Kadees

LGB Modern Tank Car - Lowered, Body Mount Kadee 907 Centersets & Added Weight
Ted Doskaris
December 28, 2015

Rev GE-A  Initial Release

June 14, 2021
Rev GE-B  Added optional 3-D print "CamPac" coupler box; added repair info.



Truck Examination
Kadee 907 Coupler Box Modifications
Car End Frame Modifications
Using / Modifying LGB Truck to Lower Car
Adding Weight
Completed Cars

Appendix A - LGB Tank Car & "CamPac" Coupler Boxes
Appendix B - Example Repairs for Used Car


The German company Lehmann Gross Bahn (LGB) has offered some realistic American rail cars over the years, including the "Modern Tank Car" made of plastic in a number of road names & leasing companies. Many of the older road names can be obtained, sometimes as as New Old Stock (NOS), from eBay or other sources.

I had obtained one car (Hooker Chemical, GATX 24065, P/N 45870) from Trainworld in New York that was sale priced.

Note the front & back railings at the top of the car dome shown above are missing since they had been dislodged and found in the box due to the rigors of shipping.  They were later glued in place using CA glue.

I obtained two other cars (Hooker Chemical HCPX 1262, P/N 41873 & ACFX 86462, P/N 40870) at higher cost from America's Best Train, Toy & Hobby Shop in Itasca, Illinois.


More recently, a used Pennsylvania tank car (albeit needing repairs as described in Appendix B) was obtained for demonstrating 3-D printed "CamPac" coupler boxes that accept Kadee centerset couplers from the 907 kit. The boxes are designed by me and implemented by Colin Camarillo via 3-D printer. If interested, they are available from his website.

The Pennsy car is shown below equipped with CamPac boxesTM and refitted with realistic all metal Kadee 100 ton "roller bearing" trucks, which lowers the car and adds a beneficial amount of low center of gravity weight. (More about this LGB tank car with CamPac boxes is described in Appendix A.)



If the LGB part number (P/N) is indicative of a car's relative production run date when it was initially offered, then presumably the car with higher P/N would represent the more recent offering.  Accordingly, the Hooker Chemical GATX car would be the newest, followed by the Hooker Chemical HCPX car, with the oldest car being the ACFX car.
In this regard, I noticed the packaging was different for the Hooker Chemical GATX car compared to the other two "older" cars.   Also, the metal handrails and pipe work are painted black on the  Hooker Chemical GATX car, whereas, the other older cars are unfinished metal.  The Hooker Chemical GATX car, also, did not have (or was missing) its valve assembly that is visible when opening the dome hatch (the other older cars had the valve assembly).  Finally, the cars' end frames and trucks were painted differently, being black or gray, albeit with trucks and end frames not color matched (e.g. end frame gray with black trucks or vice versa).

Though LGB is a German company, these cars are identified as being made in China.  The "Modern Tank Car", however, is of very high quality - but not without fault, particularly if you want to operate the car with other brand cars in a train consist:

The car sits too high off the track, is top heavy and very light weight. (Wind would blow the car over, and the car could easily "string-line" when  in  a train going around curves.)

The LGB roller bearing trucks have plastic wheels and truck mount hook & loop couplers.
(The truck does not actually have roller bearings - they being fixed and molded in to emulate roller bearings.)

The trucks (albeit with molded in springs and roller bearing caps) are not authentic for the era the modern tank car represents. (These trucks appear to be used on other LGB offerings, including earlier era American 40 foot box cars, typical prototypes of which would not have had roller bearings!)


Examining material with respect to a prototype car is very useful for determining a course of action to improve the modern tank car and for installing the body mount Kadee 907 couplers.
Shown below are a couple of reference books.

Based on the book material, observations about the LGB cars are best encapsulated in the following illustration:
(Note: The LGB Hooker Chemical GATX tank car shown coupled to an adjacent car in the illustration was equipped with body mount Kadee 907s and lowered using Aristo-Craft brand Barber roller bearing trucks with metal wheels.)


Research Conclusion:

The LGB Hooker Chemical GATX tank car rated around 10,000 gallons and decorated with the big white letters livery is not authentic to a 48 foot modern tank car having roller bearing trucks, whereas, the other version Hooker Chemical HCPX car and ACFX car are OK.  However, the livery of the Hooker Chemical GATX tank car is prototypical for an older era car.
That said, the Hooker Chemical GATX tank car is still a nice product, and like kind discrepancies can be found with other manufacturers products, too.  As long as you know about it, you can decide to suit your preferences.

Truck Examination:

Based on research, the as factory equipped LGB roller bearing truck best resembles the Barber-Bettendorf truck typically used on a caboose - except for the spring pack.  (A caboose typically employs leaf springs rather than coils that are emulated on the LGB truck.)

It can be seen that the LGB modern tank car would be most authentic when equipped with an Aristo-Craft 100 ton Barber roller bearing type truck.  However, if an Aristo Barber truck cannot be obtained, the LGB truck can be used, albeit modified to lower the car to accommodate body mounting Kadee 907 centerset couplers.  This option will be discussed later.

Shown below is a comparison of the LGB car equipped with factory truck and an Aristo truck next to it.

Note: If choosing to use 3-D printed CamPac coupler boxes, more choices of replacement trucks and wheels are afforded - described in Appendix A.


Kadee 907 Coupler Box Modifications:

Minor trimming of the Kadee box is needed. (Choosing to use the CamPac box takes care of this.)

The Kadee 907 assembly is to be installed on the car's end frame after the end frame is modified to accept it.  Accordingly, so the box will fit into the channel of the end frame, the sides of its tail shank need to be cleaned up so there are no protrusions or mold seam lines visible.  A file can be  used to do this as illustrated below.



Car End Frame Modifications:

The end frames of the LGB modern tank car are slightly modified to accept the Kadee 907 centerset coupler assembly.  As such, it's preferable to remove the end frames from the car so they can be more easily worked on.  Illustrated below is the process to remove an end frame.

Once an end frame is removed, it can be modified on a work bench without having to remove the railing from it if care is taken.  Illustrated below are the modifications needed to the pocket / channel area of the end frame.  A razor saw is used to make cuts and then cleaned up with a file.
Note:  The ribs shown in the channel that need to be nibbled down in height using a small cutter can be smoothed out with a file. (This need not to be done if choosing CamPac box). During this process, verify flush fitment of the Kadee coupler box with its cleaned up tail shank by temporarily placing into the channel.)


If choosing to use the CamPac box, a comparison can be made as illustrated below.


The end frame subassembly with mounted Kadee 907 coupler should now be reinstalled on the car.
When reinstalling it, I found that a thin shim placed under the car body bolster may be needed when using Aristo Barber roller bearing trucks so as to attain proper coupler alignment with the Kadee 980 gauge.  This is because the Aristo Barber truck will lower the car by about 0.160 inch which is slightly more than needed for coupler alignment.  In my example car, using a shim of 1/32 inch (0.031 in.) to slightly raise the car from the Aristo trucks results in a net 0.129 inch lowered car (about 1/8 inch).


If choosing to use the CamPac box, provided are CamPac chassis bolster caps that obviates the need to put a shim under the bolster - illustrated below. The caps also afford a greater selection of replacement trucks - described in Appendix A.


Depending on tolerance differences from production run cars, a bushing may be needed to be placed within the Aristo roller bearing truck bolster hole.

Shown below is the Car with body mounted Kadee 907s and Aristo roller bearing trucks with a shim placed under the car body bolsters that results in a lowered car by a net amount of 1/8 inch.


A comparison of an as factory supplied car to the modified car is shown below.


Aristo Barber trucks were available  with metal or plastic wheel sets.  The axle tip hub shape is different for Aristo metal wheel sets, ART-29111D & ART-29111B .  Aristo Barber truck metal wheels are P/N ART-29111D; however, the possibly more available ART-29111B wheels can be fitted by grinding a taper within the opening of the truck side frames' brass bushings to accommodate the axle tip hub shape of the ART-29111B wheels.



Using / Modifying LGB Truck to Lower Car:

As an alternative to using an Aristo Barber truck to lower the Car, the as factory equipped LGB truck can be modified to lower the Car, too.  However, this takes a lot of time and work to accomplish.

Illustrated below are fabricated parts with dimensions to use in place of the factory truck bolster.
(For the metal bracket, I obtained a Simpson Strong Tie strap, ST 2115, obtained from Home Depot and positioned its holes to advantage when cutting its length.  The plastic "H" spacer material was obtained from TAP Plastics.)

To install the fabricated parts, the factory truck must be disassembled first - illustrated below.
(Interestingly, the attachment points of bolster and side frames of the LGB truck are asymmetric, but this does not hinder the installation of the fabricated parts.)

Reassembling the truck with fabricated metal bolster bracket and plastic "H" spacer is illustrated below.

Illustrated below are the trucks shown with discarded factory bolster and assembled with the replacement bracket and plastic "H" spacer.  (No. 2-56 screws, washers, lock washers and nuts are used at ether end of the metal bracket to fasten the side frames.  The plastic "H" bracket is just placed on top of the bracket.  The spacer did not need to be fasten or glued in place.)

The LGB factory plastic wheels are replaced with Aristo-Craft metal wheels, P/N  ART-29111B.

Shown below is a comparison of the Aristo Barber truck and modified LGB truck.

Illustrated below, the modified LGB truck is installed on the Car.
Note that a 0.230 inch diameter by  0.135 inch long bushing is needed to be inserted in the hole.  It is  fastened along with factory screw and washer.

For proper coupler height alignment with the Kadee 980 gauge (depending on tolerances of the "H" spacer thickness and the Car), a thin spacer may or may not be required to be placed under the car body bolster to like that of the previously described Aristo Barber truck.
An example 1/32 inch spacer is shown below, but its thickness can be different for proper coupler height alignment with the Kadee 980 gauge.



Adding Weight:


The LGB modern tank car as factory equipped with standard plastic wheels is only 2 pounds.  Adding metal wheels to the trucks does help and lowers the roll center of the car so it won't be top heavy; however, the Car needs to be weighted more for assured operation in a train consist on curve track to preclude it from "string-lining".

Note: When choosing to use CamPac coupler boxes, a greater choice of replacement trucks is afforded, like the heavy Kadee all metal 70 ton or 100 ton "roller bearing" types. In-of-themselves, these being low center of gravity may prevent car "string-lining" depending on how severe a layout's curve track. Car weights with different truck / wheel choices are shown by clicking on illustration.

For example, the lightest weight truck choice is the USA Trains Intermodal plastic truck fitted with LGB metal clad wheels - not recommended.

And the heaviest weight truck is the all metal Kadee 100 ton that comes with Kadee metal wheels - the best.


Unseen additional weight can be added through the dome opening of the car.  If the car is equipped with a valve assembly (seen with dome hatch open), the valve assembly should be temporarily removed as illustrated below.

Steel 1/2 inch diameter round bar stock cut in 4 inch maximum lengths will fit through the dome opening.  I purchased 1/2 inch diameter 3 foot long bar stock from both Orchard Supply Hardware OSH and Home Depot.  Interestingly, the Car appears to include hidden bulkheads within its cylinder, so the full length of the cylinder is not available for aligning the weights at the Car's extremities.  That said, 8 weights in "sausage link" lengths of 4 inches each totaling 1 3/4 pounds can be arranged in groups near the center bottom of the car's cylinder as illustrated below.

With the weighs installed, but before foam was injected to retain them, the car weight measured 4.42 pounds.

Once the weights are inserted and aligned, they can be retain from movement by using door and window non bowing foam insulation / sealant  injected through the dome opening.  Do not use the type of foam that will expand with such force as to risk bursting the car cylinder.  When administering the foam, care must be taken to prevent the foam from unintentionally sticking to the outside of the car whilst assuring the weights don't shift position.  This is illustrated below.

Even when the foam "mushroomed" above the dome opening, I  found the foam did not entirely fill within the upper reaches of the car cylinder, so I repeated the application a few times. That said, it's not necessary to fill the entire upper area with the foam, but let the foam cure/dry before moving the Car.  Finally, clean off any residual foam from the dome opening surrounds and reinstall the valve assembly into the opening, if the Car has one.

With the weights installed and retained by the foam, the car weight increased to a final value 4.62 pounds.  Surprisingly, the foam added nearly the same weight as one 4 inch metal "sausage link".



Completed Cars:

Shown below is the relationship of two cars lowered and fitted with body mount Kadee 907s and Aristo Barber trucks with metal wheels coupled & uncoupled over a Kadee track magnet and then coupled together on an 8 foot diameter track circle.

Results are the same whether using discretely mounted Kadee boxes or CamPac boxesTM.



Appendix A - LGB Tank Car & "CamPac" Coupler Boxes

Shown below is how the CamPac coupler box fitted with the Kadee centerset coupler looks when mounted on the car.

A closer view is shown below.

Coupler match up with the Kadee coupler height gauge is shown below.

If desiring to obtain CamPac BoxesTM, they are available at Colin Camarillo's website.


The only cut done to the car is to remove a small section of the draft gear from the end frames.

The mounted truck is shown below.


As done when using the discrete Kadee coupler box, lowering the car to a more prototypical height is needed when using the CamPac box - but with more replacement truck choices afforded by the CamPac bolster cap - illustrated below.

A little more about using the USA Trains Intermodal car's plastic truck is shown below.

Additionally, the CamPac kit for USA Trains Intermodal truck is to include a spacer washer to keep the car at the same height of other trucks.


As to the USA Trains Bettendorf "Hot Box" truck, it does need to have its bolster ribs trimmed to keep the car at the same height as other trucks, too - shown below.



As to the Kadee all metal 70 & 100 ton "roller bearing" trucks, the #4 by 1/2 inch screw from the Kadee 907 kit can be used to mount the trucks.


Follow instructions in the "LGB Modern Tank Car CamPac Box Install Guide" on Colin Camarillo's website.


The CamPac kit is supplied with parts as illustrated below, except for Kadee 907 that the installer is to obtain.


Slight modifications needed to the car are similar but simpler than when using discrete modified Kadee boxes.


The box mounting hole location and draft gear section cut out dimensions are virtually the same as described for when using the Kadee box.




Appendix B - Example Repairs for Used Car

The used LGB Pennsylvania tank car had two problems to fix:

  • Broken-off / missing grab iron above foot stirrup on one corner, and
  • Broken stanchions on dome platform


The garb iron fix using wire bent and cut from paper clip is illustrated below.



The broken stanchions are illustrated below.  A paper clip wire had to be used for reinforcement.





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